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@JUSTTHEFACTSPLEASE. Considering 65+ is a susceptible age. What is the comparison of times between the states that start at 65 to the ones that start at 75 to get to 65? How big is the delay you speak of? How many more/less die (estimate) in the two different tactics, if any? How many of the 65-75 die waiting for the 75+ vaccines to take place? What is the comparison of how many 65-75 die waiting to the 75+ that die due to your unproven delay because the 65+ are included? What are your facts, JustTheFactsPlease?
The Governor of Illinois endangers the most vulnerable over 75 population by changing the federal CDC recommended 1B vaccination guidelines from 75 to 65 and up. This change will require millions more vaccine doses further slowing the pace of administering to our most suceptable elderly. On the contrary many states, as of now, have followed the CDC guidelines vaccinating the over 75 now.
The Governor of Illinois endangers the most vulnerable over 75 population. By changing the recommended CDC 1B guidelines for vaccinations from 75 to 65 years of age requiring millions of more doses be given out ultimately slowing the vaccinating process for those most urgently in need while other states have already begun vaccinating the 75 and up.
Document all the deaths by age group. Listing co-morbity would be useful information as well. Listing the number of deaths by nursing home or veterans homes would also be helpful knowledge for citizens. Both of these places are social distanced, locked down and people wear masks. This would be useful information to citizens.
I have some doubts about reliability of these data.
Case in point:
Union County had 0 new cases, and so far 1103 since the arrival of the novel coronavirus. There has been 21 deaths, and 676 people recovered. What about the remaining 406 cases? They can't be possibly ongoing, as there have been only sporadic new cases during the last few weeks, and COVID19 cases resolve themselves within 3 weeks or so, and yet that huge difference persisted for weeks.
Same for Gallatin, Johnson, Massac, Perry, Pope, Pulaski add White counties.
406 still sick? Or not fully recovered?
The reason it is spreading is because people are not taking personal responsibility. They aren’t wearing masks and they are not keeping distance.
When leaving Dick's Sporting Goods in Carbondale I saw group entering the store without masks, paying no attention to social distancing.
I asked the associate on duty at the entry why she allowed them to enter and she responded that there's nothing she can do. And yet at nearby Best Buy or Walmart staff sternly reminds everyone trying to enter with no mask to put it on.
Dick's needs to get it's act together.
Yes, this can be a death sentence for many, we must take responsibility to not pass it on.
You're absolutely right. IT's selfishness, ignorance, politics, or a combination of them all. It's sad that people cannot see beyond themselves.
The reason it is spreading is that it is a virus.
I agree. In my county few wear masks that I see, the few times I have been out. I have been saying that there will be 400k by 1/1
Trump praises Remedesivir, it has been proven to save lives, BUT what you might of missed is tRUMP pulled funding for its research. I wonder what deaths we can attribute to its delay?https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/10/07/921224417/ironic-twist-last-spring-trump-halted-research-key-to-covid-19-drug-hes-now-take
The additional deaths tonight. Many of the newer cases and deaths that aren't from nursing homes in White,Saline,and Gallatin, probably more are due to a big Saturday night parade rally they had at Carmi.
What scientific study are you quoting that determined the deaths were from a "parade in Carmi"?
The New England Journal of Medicine
Covid-19 has created a crisis throughout the world. This crisis has produced a test of leadership. With no good options to combat a novel pathogen, countries were forced to make hard choices about how to respond. Here in the United States, our leaders have failed that test. They have taken a crisis and turned it into a tragedy.
The magnitude of this failure is astonishing. ....
Truth. It should be criminal negligence.
Are we going to criminalize the flu when it kills people who got it from someone else? Think!
astonishing. ....! It's a virus...it spreads. You are making a political statement.
Question: why has the number of recovered cases not changed from 751 in Williamson Co. in some time ? The So. Ill. or Bi-County? Or is no one getting better.
Olivia Troye, who worked as an adviser to Vice President Mike Pence before quitting the coronavirus task force, says President Trump’s disregard for science is costing American lives. Speaking for the first time on television to NBC senior Washington correspondent Andrea Mitchell, Troye says “it was frightening” when Trump said the virus would disappear “like magic.”Sept. 22, 2020
It should be criminal negligence. It's beyond shameful.
Remember back 25 years ago the Herrin boosters came up with a new slogan? Went from "The Action City" on the billboard out on 148 to "Herrin Has It". Guess they were right. I say just shut the whole county down for however long it takes.
You are ignorant. How about false negatives? I know a man who died last week in SIH hospital here. Tragic loss. There is a huge difference. Wake up and hope you and your family and dear friends do not get Covid. And get off Fox News snd read about Covid from the experts. The scientists. The researchers. The physicians.
Federal prison positive cases are not included in local Hlth dept or IDPH reported cases.
Shawnee nursing home in Herrin has covid positives. Including my mom. I'm scared shitless. I don't see this reported.
It is reported on the Ill. Dept. Public Health website. You have to hunt for it, but it's there under Long-Term Care facilities. Select Williamson Co. My heart goes out to you for your concern and for your mother's health.
Thanks very much. Stay safe.
I see a lot of comments about Union County numbers. I live in Union County and the majority has been nursing home patients. Others have been workers from Gilster.
I have an adapter.
So? I don't understand your point. Are you suggesting that nursing home patients don't count?
Well, they just increased onsite school attendance from 2 days to 4
Oh so they don’t count?
According to the Illinois State coronovirus website -https://coronavirus.illinois.gov/s/county-map-v2 - Union County has the highest death rate in the state at 11.1%, higher even than Chicago's 9.4% and Cook County's 7.9%. Is there an explanation for this that I've missed in your coverage?
I appreciate your posting of the number of active Covid-19 cases by county, number of deaths, and number recovered. I would suggest a fourth column that lists active cases. I derive that number for my county by looking at active cases, subtract deaths, and subtract recovered individuals. The remaining number are the number of active Covid-19 cases in that county. Some counties have a remaining number of ZERO. If my logic is correct, could you consider adding the fourth column. Thank you.
Is this correct? Can we identify the number of "active cases" in a county by doing this?
Gick: I think you mean subtract deaths and recovered cases from positive cases = active cases. That is correct per a conversation I had with a local health department employee.
Yet another reminder as to why the Sparta shooting event is canceled this summer. I wish our regional politicians would support the recommendations of health experts. Large numbers of people coming here from other states right now is very troubling. I doubt they will stay distanced or wear masks. Our overall virus numbers are down in Illinois even as southern and western states spike and threaten the ability of their medical communities to respond. We should be thanking our governor, not whining. This is not a partisan issue. It is a humanitarian response for the collective good.
Virtue signalling or just not critical thinking?
I agree with you. The current whinny in Anna is the Gov. not allowing the Fair. They had a plan where everyone would socially distance and wear masks, however they can’t seem to do it anywhere else. I am so happy we have our Gov.
our governor is a worthless POS.
What's going on in Union County? I'd like to see more reporting about the huge spike in cases and deaths from there.
Yes, more tests will equal more positives. But the number of tests conducted nor the number of positives is not the metric being used. The metric is the percentage of positives versus total tests. That’s one of the values being looked at daily.
You are correct, our leaders did not react correctly. However, there was a general distrust to the variety of information being released from China. Also, this is a disease that the medical experts are still struggling to understand all of its intricacies. Not an excuse, just a fact. Its been a learning experience.
There are no “reports” of numbers being shifted from Cook county south. Unless you count the back yard gossips and the deniers.
It would be nice to know from whom and how the virus flows; but that in turn violates multiple laws to include HIPPA violation. But the truth is, what does it do but provide fuel for vile gossip and rumor mongering. Thru tracing and tracking, you will be notified by Public Health if you are suspected of being in contact with a positive patient. Or, they will issue a blanket statement, as the example of someone who could stay home and went shopping.
Several excellent articles have been written on how this virus spreads. Recent article discussed a restaurant environment. It included the buildings air flow, waiter movement, customer activity, etc. Here is but one.
The issue within prisons, holding centers, long term care facilities has been and will continued to be addressed by the staff. They have made every effort possible within their powers to mitigate this virus. To make a claim that someone isn’t doing their job is just spitting into their face when you are not on the inside and know nothing.
Again, if you really are worried about the numbers for your town, head to the IDPH web site and you can drill down to the zip code specific information. And the numbers do make sense if you had been tracking over the long haul. Simply, they should not “add-up” until the very end. But of course, if you were really that concerned, you would have already made the effort, instead of flapping.
The Guv has given us the opportunity to reopen our part of the state provided we keep the course. We can indeed move to the next phase of this process. People keep saying we are not like Chicago, and you are only partially correct. The metrics being used doesn’t just look at the total number of cases. It also compares the positives to the per capita of the population. And in too many areas of Southern Illinois, the numbers per capita exceed Chicago.
Many are critical of his plan for reopening the state and it is being voiced by many downstate Republicans. I have a challenge. Download the Guvs plan and then download the White House plan. Compare them side by side. You will ask who copied from whom. Actually neither. Both the Guv and WH used the guidelines from CDC and created their own document. Personal thought, I think a bunch of Republicans are fighting a Democrat Guv. Sadly, they are also fighting their President and his admins document. And for the record, I am conservative.
And, to date, we have been successful in flattening the curve and reaching a small plateau. So do we discard our efforts and let this virus speed up again. Ask Kentucky, which has experienced highest numbers to date after opening up just 10+ days ago.
Dog kennels over haircuts? You are actually comparing one of the most personal experiences, one on one contact in close proximity of a hair cut. See the above referenced article and then discuss air flow of the building. After all, this virus spreads by the air that we breath. And yes, I have experienced the dog issue @ the vet. Never did I get out of my truck. I never went into that building. Someone came out, retrieved my dog, went inside and dog got rabies shot, then brought back out to my truck.
Do we need to save small business, yes. But they must adapt to the current circumstances. Restaurants who never did curb side have adopted; auction houses have gone online; allowed retail spaces have adopted social distancing, masks, and other measures. Will we loose some small business, unfortunately yes. Just like the Spanish Flu, the Great Depression, the recession of 2008, and a reality that is very hard to accept. A sad fact, but reality.
[thumbup] Thank you for a very well structured response. Science and facts should prevail, not hearsay and rumors. More need to actually do research instead of taking what is said as facts.
When the CHIEF EXPERT.....the "head" of the CDC flops more than a pancake at waffle house one is just not wise if they believe what he says. Remember, he said 2,000,000 WILL DIE in the United States. Yes, I know he knew he was using a model by a firm that has seldom, if ever, been correct. But, he counted on most sheeple to just go along.
You are a liar, nobody said that, numbnuts!
That is a lie. Nobody said that, making you a liar.
No Chief expert in the CDC, nor did Fauci.
One important reason the numbers in S. Illinois are still low is that SIUC closed the campus. If the students had come back from Chicago and all over after Spring Break our story would likely be different. Classes are online this summer. It is unknown if we will open campus in August for the Fall term. August is really still summer. If we open will we have to close and go online in October if there is a second wave? How would SIUC opening or not in Fall impact the rest of the region - health wise and economically?
Shutting down and laying off all employees at SIU just might have a negative effect. But, the gov and set up stations to get an allotment of 3 potatoes and 1/4 of inferior meat products once per week to help out.
Yes, if we think of southern Illinois as a community, then health transcends politics. Shoppers-Kroger being an example-please wear masks, as do the staff. It is not a loss of one's liberty. Fellow citizens' safety knows no ideology.
Now THIS is knowledge! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. Thank you for being a voice of REASON in a sea of ignorance, stupidity, and downright superstition! If ONLY the Federal Government was HALF as intelligent, and I don't think this would be as chaotic as it already is...
More tests equal more reported Cases. Less test equal less reported cases. This is destroying America's middle class. Was that the goal?
donnieDrump is responsible for the chaotic, ineffective response. So, guess he's the one wanting to destroy the middle class. Hint, he couldn't find the definition of middle class in a dictionary.
Did you send your 1200.00 stimulus check you received?
You mean the money that I earned? The money that is basically nothing but a holdover for my taxes next year? Trump didn’t “give” anyone anything, you moron. Don’t let the fact that he wasted time to print his signature and face on the check fool you, you ignorant sheep.
The money came from congress, not Trump. He cannot send you money. Only congress has that power.
SeasonedCitizen is correct. Idiot Trump did nothing but get up on stage and make an idiot of himself day after day. In some cases even directly countering what the CDC was saying to do. Unless “injecting bleach” is somehow useful? Maybe you should try it?
As a child I grew up in Pulaski, IL population 350. A few years ago went back population 250. COVID-19 has probably diminished the population lower. Very sad for America.
I keep hearing reports of Cook County covid cases being moved to Southern Illinois. Other than using the motel in Mt. Vernon I don't see anything.
There are zero cook county c-19 moved to southern Illinois.
The virus is not being moved anywhere. Like any other virus it spreads when someone has the active virus and they cough and sneeze somewhere within 6 ft. Of another person/persons. In the case of how it made its way to Southern Illinois. There was a college student that went home after SIU in Carbondale. Sent the kids to go home after we were told to stay home. He then returned to Carbondale to get his stuff. He also stopped and visited friends in the area. They then started the beginning stages of Covid-19 for Southern Illinois. It could have stopped completely but too many people did not wear masks not distanced themselves. And they continue to stay home and wear masks when they leave their homes.
I think the Williamson and Jackson county people that had gone to Florida on spring break were the first caces.
The college student was the first. This was before the spring break. I am sure there was someone that went to Florida during spring break but that is not how it started. My daughter knew the student that went to Chicago to see his Mom.
I would not put a lot of stock in this story.
Has this been proven?
I think it's important to publish "how" these people got the virus. When numbers are given, with no information, it causes more panic and questions. I think, if people knew, for example, that some have gotten it because they are traveling to and from Chicago, or they are in a nursing home in close quarters with workers and other patients, etc.......it would ease some of the concern.
This is a scary situation.
BUT, it could be a lot less worrisome for some folks if all the information was given rather than partial.
We will just have to wait until the "experts" tell us sheep.
Why does Ullin have 10 of Pulaski County's 13 positives? What is happening in that jail? That has to be the largest occurrance of any county confinement facility in our area. Someone is not doing their job if the numbers reflect what they appear to.
ICE brought immigration detainees to the local jail.
Lets answer some questions.
You can go to the IDPH website and drill down by zip code if you are concerned.
Also, the IDPH website provides the numbers tested.
The numbers for each county do make sense. If you spent the time tracking the data you would understand. But looking at in a simple display, it can get confusing.
No test, including pregnancy test is 100%. Quit trying to spin BUT they are greater than 90% based on guidelines. That's why there is a control test!
Does the test identify specifically and only covid19? Or, does the test identify covid19 at all?
That is a different subject. How does Herpes have anything to do with covid 19 smh
Why dont they list the town in the counties? Dont we have the r.ight to know if it's in our area?
There is 16 counties . There is less than 10 cases in 12 of those counties . Why do we need to be on a Stay at home order . This is way out of line from this Governor. I really miss my church . People need to get back to work. He’s opening Dog Kennnels over Humans getting a hair cut , something is wrong with this picture People. This Governor is very wrong in his decisions. He for sure is not looking at the Deep South . He’s only thinking about Chicago that’s where this virus is at . Wake up people yhud isn’t right at all.
It’s in southern Illinois too!
No he doesn't care about Southern Illinois, not enough votes down here to help him. We have alot fewer case down here, but all he cares about his base in Cook Lake DuPage counties.
So how many cases does it have to be before you're convinced that staying in place helps? The time to address a pandemic in in the beginning when as few cases as possible are occuring. By the time the numbers grow exponentially it's too late.
These numbers mean nothing without knowing how many tests were conducted. Why is this such a difficult question to answer?!
More tests equal more cases. Less tests equal less cases
No tests equal no cases! Problem solved. Now more time to lick boots.
Finally 1 in Alexander County. I thought we were going to make it without any. Keep social distancing for awhile more. I know Easter was hard but we can do it. We are in this together. Keep praying.
Wait! What? I thought we were fighting the Covid-19 virus!
I can make up numbers too, if it makes you feel better.
How is Randolph County have 27 recovered already? The numbers "DO NOT ADD UP" with the 14 days quarantine. The question is "Do they know what they are doing?" 93,000 in Randolph county and 41 tested positive.
I'd bet there are more, but when we've contacted the health dept. for the Southern Seven they haven't been as responsive as they could be. I suspect that's going to be the case in a lot of rural America.
Thank you for the information.
Very much appreciate this information.
Thank you for the county by county totals. I will fwd.
Thank you for providing this information. This is why we need professional journalism media, not social media, to inform us and guide us. Everyone: pay attention!
My thoughts exactly. This and the idph site is invaluable for up to date information. Also, remember, there are not enough tests being done, so these conformed numbers are just part of the story.
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